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Friday, July 29, 2011

How Much Marjorie Orbin Must Pay

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The day the photo on the book cover was taken: Author Camille Kimball interviewing Marjorie Orbin in jail

Marjorie Orbin was convicted in 2010 of fraud and the dismemberment murder of Jay Orbin, the devoted father of her child. Many months later, paper work has gone through regarding the restitution she must pay and to whom.

To Jay's father and mother, her former in-laws, the court calculates $6,014.00. This amount, clearly, is not about how much Jay was worth as a person and what they've lost. It is about what actual expenses they incurred during the course of the case. And, even at that, it is not a full amount. The courts have formulas for these things. If Marjorie ever does make any money, these are liens that will be a priority.


To Jake Orbin, Jay's big brother, Marjorie will have to pay $12,200.00 if she ever gets any cash. Jake is guardian of his nephew now. Jake went to a lot of trouble trying to discover his brother's fate and then trying to make the world a safe place for the little boy left behind.

Finally, Marjorie will have to pay $8,539.38 to the person who lost the most, her own son. Noah lost both a father and a mother and an entire childhood when Jay Orbin died. But it is in his capacity as heir to the estate that Marjorie defrauded that Noah becomes his mother's creditor.

That's a total of $26,753.38

I am a little disturbed by a TV show that pops up from time to time. The show states as fact that Jay was "obsessed" with Marjorie for a decade. But there's no evidence of that. The entire Orbin family had never heard of her until her sudden wedding to Jay in Las Vegas. Marjorie loves to tell the story that Jay was pining for her for 10 years and that he pressed her into marriage. But Jay is not here to tell his side and the evidence of his alleged 10 years of passion does not exist. The whirlwind wedding in Vegas was far more the much-married Marjorie's style than the family oriented Jay's.

Marjorie writes to me that she is doing fine in state prison. The food is better than in county jail. She gets her beloved physical exercise. And she's confident she'll win a new trial through her appeals.  (peek inside the book here or here)

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57 comments:

  1. I watched this on 48 hours and was puzzled that they never disclosed how a woman of her size moved a container weighing in excess of 260 lbs out to the desert.

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  2. Ah, well, that's a good reason to get the book, isn't it!?! I explain a lot more detail that 48 Hours didn't have time for. (Just click on the photo of the books in the middle of the post--it will take you right to Amazon. Or look for links to other sellers below or above right) There's a lot of testimony on that very question and I give you both sides in WHAT SHE ALWAYS WANTED.

    Thanks for stopping by!

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  3. I guess anyone can be a crime writer regardless of mental illness.

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  4. On 48 HOURS of Crime, she looked as guilty as hell, and her lousy dragon tears! !

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  5. That 48 Hours Diary of a Showgirl episode is controversial. Some were offended the show gave her so much unfettered air time. Others, like yourself, feel it just served to give her enough rope to effectively convict herself. Still others found her to be tragically innocent. I'm glad you stopped by. Have you seen her love letter? <a href="http://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=7961681502337822401#editor/target=post;postID=786400145943889026>New Photos From Marjorie Orbin Crime Case<a/> I will post more stuff on her from time to time.

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  6. As for Marjorie's comments stating that she's confident she'll win a new trial on appeal...

    On November 03, 2011 her 1st appeal (direct appeal) was officially denied by a 3 judge panel. Her conviction was affirmed. Yeah!!! :-)

    She can now try a "post conviction appeal" but her chances for success are even slimmer (the particular facts of her case don't bode well for a post conviction appeal). The process will take years and won't end well for her.

    After that she can try a "Federal appeal" (many years in the future) but that's an even steeper mountain to climb.

    Looks like Marjorie will spend many years in prison. :-)

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  7. Thanks, Anon of Dec 21. That's an excellent analysis. I do make it a policy not to argue with Marjorie and always try to represent her point of view as she expresses it to me. Having said that, I think your assessment is better informed than hers. For those interested in the decision on Marjorie Orbin's appeal, here is my post on it.

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  8. From what I seen on tv she looked at Jay like a money train so now I think she is where she need to be...JAIL

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  9. Hey everybody! Thanks for stopping by! Some really great questions have come up after the show, Scorned. So great I felt I had to make a whole new post for them. Here it is, with new photos, too. Click here:
    Behindthescenes!

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  10. Please forgive, I still have a lot to learn about html! Try this:
    NewPostAfterTVShow

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  11. I watched some show on late night television. I believe it was on MSNBC. Anyway, from what I saw......GUILTY! Without a doubt!

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  12. @Anonymous of Feb 27, 2012 1:05 am
    A jury of her peers agrees with you wholeheartedly. I know their verdict is "wholehearted" because they told me so. ;)

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  13. The one who pays here is Noah. I hope being with Jay's family brings him strength and love, enough to overcome such hardship. I NEVER wished any harm to my sons father, because that IS A DIRECT HIT TO MY SONS HEART! How could she be so selfish??? Your book, What She Always Wanted describes Marjorie as acuratly as possible. She always was a munipuative b*#@h ... she got what she deserves. I am just surprised she survived all the former lovers and ex husbands... and/or didn't kill any of them before this.... she was evil in her 20's and evil still.

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  14. No but you could go to Aruba while your son sits home in the dark! HAHAHAHAHAHA!

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    1. ????? What does this have to do with the story here?

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    2. FW: HaHaHa... My son was never home in the dark... Aruba was great thanks... I never gave up custody of my son like you did with yours. Get a life.

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  15. Noah is well loved by his family. He is doing well, but we can all agree that losing both his parents in the manner that he did is ghastly. At least everyone in his family shares the same grief. Noah will never have to feel alone in that. Jay was also well loved and many people are interested in the welfare of his child so Noah has a great and extensive support system. To have one parent murdered by the other is a fate no child should be burdened with. I agree that whoever does such a thing is directly hitting at the person's children as well.

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  16. No child should be taken from their mother. I do not approve of people telling the media the child is in a loving home that home is not their home it is a home he was placed in because his mother was wrongly convicted of murder she did not commit. Of course they wills ay the boy is fine who would come clean and say the boy cries for his mother, wont sleep at night, has nightmares? That would mean their wrong! The truth ALWAYS comes out and it will int his case as well no matter how much later in life. The system is so flawed in America it seems beyond repair. Whenever a society becomes COMFORTABLE with innocent people going to prison and being put to death because IT HAPPENS that's when its time to step back and rethink things! America is no place for families and people who live in other countries wanting to come here should thank God they do not live in America it is a sick place!

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    1. why is it that evil people think they're always right?

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    2. AGREE WITH ANONYMOUS ABOVE!! IM CURRENTLY WATCHING AND SHE IS GUILTY AS HECK. THE CHILD IS BETTER OFF AWAY FROM HIS SICK TWISTED MOTHER....

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    3. Kaleigh Harris....you MUST get your head out of your ass...... he was placed in a home with his family..do you think he would be better with complete strangers.... Are you saying the blue tub that had Jay's remains in it, that had the same code on it that was purchased By this cold blooded woman you are saying to defend is a coinsidence? Like i said before get your head out of your ass...

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  17. Hi Camille, I was wondering why this was considered Murder and not Manslaughter when there is no doubt that Jay was supposed to be out of town that night? Proves to Me that it wasn't premeditated. Sounds more like a Man who surprised his Wife and Her lover. I believe Jay confronted Larry, they fought and Larry shot and killed him. She had a young Boy sleeping while His Dad was dead in the garage. She panicked. She is guilty of helping cover it up. Just my thoughts. It's a sad case.

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  18. That is Marjorie's own version. She has been telling as many people as she can about it...after the trial. However, for this story to succeed on any level, there had to be more of a reason than "don't wake up Noah." She claims that reason was a threat against Noah's life. But on many, many occasions, she was away from Larry and even alone with police, Noah in safe hands. Why wouldn't she beg for protection at that time? And now that she is telling the story, why hasn't the threat against Noah's safety come to pass?

    There are many details about the jigsaw, the garage cleanup, Larry's "deal," and all the evidence on both of them in the book, WHAT SHE ALWAYS WANTED. It would be interesting to hear your opinion after you read it. I was present in court and often sat right behind Marjorie. The book is available at libraries if you don't want to spend the $7.99. Many of your questions are already answered in there.

    As for Noah having nightmares, I'd be surprised if he didn't. That's the murderer's fault, no one else's.

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  19. BTW, a murder committed for capital gain and with premeditation is considered 1st degree Murder. There was no question of manslaughter because there was too much evidence this was a deliberate and calculated crime.

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  20. Camille,
    Hello from juror # - oops, I seem to have forgotten my juror number. One of my fellow jurors just sent out an email wondering how Marjorie's appeal turned out and I sent them all back a link to your blog.

    We all agreed that the evidence of premeditation was overwhelming.

    To kaleigh_harris1 - had you been in the court for the trial and listened in on our deliberations you would be in little doubt that she did receive a fair trial and a just verdict. Our concerns during the sentencing phase of the trial were, in part, the welfare of Noah and the possibility that he might at some point in his future life wish to see his mother.

    To anonymous who wondered how she could have moved Jay Orbins body to the desert - don't forget that she moved him in parts and that she had a ramp she could use to move the body up into her vehicle. Also, she was a physical fitness fanatic and was much stronger than you imagine.

    One final thought that came to me as I was reading over the comments above - we did discuss the theory presented by the defense that pointed to Larry as the guilty party. The problem with that theory is that there was no evidence presented that would support the theory and it seemed to us to be little more than a distraction provided by a defense that had no real exonerating evidence to present.

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  21. I will buy the book. Thank you for your reply. I will come back and comment after I read it. Thanks again, Ted.

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  22. Thanks, Ted! I look forward to your remarks.

    To Juror # Oops! I'm very honored by your visit here. I would like to make a separate post out of your comment here. I will work on that now. Thank you so much!

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    1. I am gonna read it too.Just watched Deadly women. Your book sounds good.I am always curious how and why people can do these things. Very sad for the son. I hope he has some kind of healing and can take a negative and some how turn it into something good. My childhood was stuff nightmares are made of but I chose to not become a abuser. I help people because of what I went through. We all have a choice to do right or wrong. I do not care how messed up your life is that in no excuse to hurt innocent people. Michelle

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    2. I LOVE your comment, Michelle. The more I am in court and hospitals and jails interviewing people, the more I wish that message could get out: Do Not Do It To Someone Else. A lot of people suffer through something horrible and feel rage about it. As you point out, Michelle, the best thing to do with the rage is to HELP others, not pass on the harm. Thank you so much for coming here. I hope you enjoy the book. Be sure to look for the "Marjorie Orbin & Me: The Raw Jail Tapes" special 99 cent offer, too.

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  23. To Juror #Oops! Since I have used your comment for a new post , you qualify for a free signed book! Please contact me at a s u d d e n s h o t (at) g m a i l (dot) c o m to claim it! Or, if you have access to my business card, which I suspect you do, feel free to contact me at that address, too. Thanks so much for coming to this site and sharing your thoughts.

    Camille

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  24. Camille, this is a very challenging discussion as I'm sure murder trials are always filled with interesting tid-bits.
    Is there a way to contact Marjorie?
    Robertmaxwell512@gmail.com

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  25. THE BELL WITH THAT OLD TIRED RUN DOWN MURDEROUS WHORE

    BIRCH TRYING TO STAY REVELANT. SHE LOWEST HER GREED AND SELFISHNESS DESTROY THAT MAN AND HER SON.


    I HOPE THEY BEAT HER ASS DAILY. BITCH AGING BUT STILL TRYING TO BE SEXY

    THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN PEOPLE CAN'T SEE PASS THEIT OWN SELFISH BEHAVIOR. HOPE THAT WHITE LIVES TO BE AN OLD WOMAN AND SEE SUFFER.

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    1. Ignore typos. She's not worth me correcting them

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  26. I don't care how much time she spent at the gym or how fit she was, No 5'8" woman can lift 260 lbs. Even though they exonerated her body builder lover, there is more to his part in this crime than he is letting on. She must have used his help in carrying and disposing the body.

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  27. It's an interesting question as to whether Marjorie had help moving the body. We know she had a dolly. That's mechanical help. There also people she confided in much more deeply than she did in Larry. All I can tell you is that after several years of intense investigation, no evidence has been found to implicate Larry.

    Thanks for visiting here and commenting.

    Anon of May 5, prison culture is indeed one of violence. It is not a pleasant place to be, even in a women's facility.

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    1. I'm a woman of slight build and move heavy equipment with a dolly all the time.

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  28. I never had the pleasure of meeting Jay but I very much enjoyed listening to the stories told by my husbands father (Jays first cousin) and grandmother (Jays Aunt). The tradegy that took place is one that no family should ever have to deal with.

    I would like to read the book to see more into what Marjorie has to say. We all watched the interview on television, and she didn't make herself very convincing. She did a very good job at showing how much she was spoiled yet so unappreciative.

    To Juror#-oops, THANK YOU! You were a part of bringing a small piece of closure to this family.

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  29. Brianna, a special welcome to you here and thanks for your comment.
    I have a special place in my heart for all the Orbin family. Jay was so well loved and I admired how they showed that through loyalty and service after his passing.

    I hope Juror#-oops sees your comment here. I know the jurors were very much affected by the case and felt their responsibility keenly.

    Brianna, when you are ready to read, the book is available anywhere books are sold. Or just borrow one of Jake's copies. ;)

    With best wishes to all the Orbins,

    Camille

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  30. I can not wait to read the book!! I have watched the Scorned show and I believe somewhere else I seen this story maybe cbs/48 Hrs hard Evid.? Also wanted to tell you I am a true crime fan in general.. I have always read and watched and been drawn to true crime stories~when they came out with Investigation Discovery channel~ I had found the one channel I didn't need to change!! my husband and friends and family seem to think I like it a little too much.. what they don't get ..is I don't like the crimes at all.. however I do ponder..how and why and always looking for that justice at the end too!! Keep up the great work.. looking forward to the E! program.. I love that channel too!!

    Thanks

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  31. Yes, Angela, Marjorie is also featured on a 48 Hours Mystery episode called "Diary of a Showgirl." I wasn't ready to go on camera at that time, but I couldn't avoid being in the background in several of the shots. One thing that's interesting about all these shows on Marjorie is that each one comes out differently. The family and the courts were upset about the 48 Hours episode and you can read more about that in my book, WHAT SHE ALWAYS WANTED.

    As for your family's skepticism about your interest in true crime, you may wish to take a look at this blog post and see if you can use it. Find out why should ask them why they DON'T follow true crime? Click here: <a href="http://camillekimball.blogspot.com/search/label/why%20I%20read%20true%20crimea>DefendYourInterestinTrueCrimepost</a>
    Thanks for joining us here, Angela!

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  32. After watching the 48 hours show on the situation it really doesn't have a good case. I also watch the crime shows faithfully and the things that all the other ones point out weren't true with this case. I don't think people should put down dancers because they can be the best people and as far as the shopping thing goes, anytime I'm upset I shop til I can't shop no more. I'm not saying she's guilty or not but I am saying maybe they wanted it to be her. In the other shows they go as far as it takes down to littlest lead and in this one they don't. I feel she should get to see her son. Did they ever see if she had a testimony on where she was? I mean she told on herself that she did help because she was threatened. I'm sorry for jays family, I know how it feels to lose someone and she doesn't have a great case with that video of her buying those items but the person who may be in on it may still be out there.

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  33. You have to remember there is a certain formula to TV shows. They need to emphasize the angle of the red herring in order to increase the sense of mystery. But that doesn't always do justice to the evidence. Larry Weisberg has been investigated up, down, sideways, and all around. No evidence has ever been found to connect him to the crime.

    As for visiting with her son, don't forget the boy has a choice in the matter. No one is stopping him. His feelings about seeing her may change as grows up.

    Thanks for sharing your thoughts here.

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  34. How old is her son now? There are so many variables it definitely looks like she is guilty...if not the murder itself then definitely a premditation to have him murdered somehow. She was able to move a body of 260lb because it was dismembered. It was not in one piece. I am a 5'5" 145lb woman and I can lift 275lbs with ease...sounds crazy but I can. It is possible...maybe not probable.

    Should Noah have the facts that we all have (probably plus some we never hear of), he most likely has or will make up his mind about his mother and her guilt. Really, it is none of our business what goes on within that family. We, the public, just LOVE to see other people's dramas unfold before our eyes and evenmore, we LOVE to judge those people.

    NOONE will ever truly know what happened except the TRUE killer...either Marjorie herself or someone else....all we have is specualation...

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  35. Noah Orbin is now a teenager and living a nice life, the great tragedy notwithstanding. He goes to high school and has extra-curricular activities. He has a loving family, all of whom share the same grief. So while nothing can make this right, at least they are all in it together. He is always given the opportunity to make his own age-appropriate decisions about the case. There was no way to keep it from him. Indeed, as you say, there are some things that he alone actually knows about it. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and insights here, Girl of a Different Color.

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  36. What ever happened to Larry Weisberg?

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  37. to Girl of a Different Color, I would suggest that Marjorie, if she "done it," probably no longer knows the truth of what occurred. It is probable that her lies to others have also convinced herself of non-involvement, at least on a direct basis.

    She is definitely pathological, at least in the persona presented on the "48 Hours" presentation.

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  38. i am only one of marjories biological brothers never acknowledged and for the record she doesnt have 9 siblings a dead twin .or was raised in a normal enviorment she is and always was a twisted self serving scheeming piece of shit who has lied and manipulated her whole life i have read this book and the newest and she seems 2 try 2 put her past in a light that reflects on her in a positive way . i feel bad for noah and when hes old enough he can make the choice if he wants 2 meet his cousins they are about his same age and one of them is a pretty famous pro wrestler whos also a succesfull sleep tech and the boys 15 and 16 attend highschool in the st louis area thrive as does his oldest cousin a girl who teaches pre sghool in fla and the youngest is 6 hes a cool kid who knows the whole backstory i was raised in the same mobile home yeah not an imaginary castle 2 fit a coverstory but the truth we were raised struggling but i didnt kill anyone or lead a life of manipulation i just live i recieved a letter from my sister and if i could id just ask her why the lies and murder oh yeah if she recieves any better food 4 claiming 2 be jewish they should refuse it 2 her and our mother never had alzhiemers or was jewish just more lies from a miserable piece of work who is wqhere she belongs IMO

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  39. I thought Marjorie only had a sister?

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  40. Marjorie Orbin is a personality-disordered, manipulative and exploitative individual. She is right where she belongs, in a place full of women of her own ilk. Were she to get out, she would only victimize and manipulate another person because that's how she gets along in life. She will not get parole unless she admits to her crime. I don't see this happening as she is still lying and manipulating people into believing in her innocence. She feels no guilt or remorse for her husband Jay. She is only unhappy she got caught. People like Marjorie can never be changed, cured or reformed. Stop sympathizing with her. That's what she wants. She would walk all over you in a split second to get what she wants.

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  41. I can't believe this woman she is disgusting period. I admit she suckered me into her story till she said that Jay was disgusting (his table manners)
    OncOnce she said that I saw the real Marjorie. By all accounts Jay was kind loving man. I thought he was quite handsome. All he ddid for her how can she sleep at night. I hope she never gets out. The kindness that his family showed, by not wanting the death penalty because of her son! My prayers are with Ja, his son and family. I hope shenever gets outoout of orison and look forward to your book. How could someone be so evil?

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  42. For those that have concern that Marjorie might get out.. Rest assured she has lost every appeal she requested. The last ruling just came in from the Arizona Court of Appeals.
    MARJORIE ANN ORBIN, Petitioner.
    No. 1 CA-CR 14-0196 PRPC
    dated Sept 13, 2016
    Her final appeal has been denied. she will get no relief in her requests.
    She will spend her last breath in prison rotting in her 10x10 concrete cube.

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